致绿队的一封信

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吵架归吵架，双方举例子拿事实就好了，别人身攻击，否则事情会更糟。
老人们也顾点老，别太和年轻人计较，如果和年轻人对骂就显得更不明事理了。
相信阿信的出发点是好的，只是言辞方面除了些问题，有些道听途说的观点也激怒了绿队的朋友。
大家先都别急着发火，从对方口里说出来的话都是有一定道理的，虽然有些在你看来不合事实或者不好听。很多事情可能是误会，但是误会不是单方面的，双方都有责任，澄清就好，别将误会升级。
个人觉得没必要不让孩子发言，有些话说出来才好，有些话当着大伙的面说出来更好，有一帮人帮你们见证，谁偏颇了，谁个人攻击了都有人看着，济溪好久没有这么激情的讨论了，不管结果怎样，这次讨论对双方审视自己反思自己都有莫大的益处

小妖

请绿队的兄弟姐妹们不要在此争吵了！我们已经和达协会长及骨干在昨日下午及晚上面对面深谈过，问题已完全弄清楚。单就帖子上提出对绿队的疑问我们已写好公开信做出解释，同时达协的阿信将会对此贴及我们的公开信做出回应。绿队公开信已于今日凌晨写好，并已发到阿信及有关当事人邮箱，征得同意后将会在济溪上公开发表。因此希望大家不要再在此对任何一方做出攻击，达协和绿队的人都能平心静气地坐下来谈，毕竟我们都是同在一校的环保社团。同时也感谢所有人的关注，对于出现此事我们深感歉意。再次真心希望达协和绿队能尽释前嫌，在环保路上携手并进！

                                                              兰州大学绿队执行长张精展
                                                                  2009年6月2日

guanjian

79# mc鲁迅

感觉你的言辞一直都比较激烈，
当然可以理解，要是换了我同样难保不会像你这样，
要知道我以前棱角鲜明一点都不比你差，
以至于有个朋友跟我说，
世界上有两个地方，任你身上有再多的棱角也会把你磨平，那就是军营和监狱。
休学期间一年的社会经历虽然没有把我磨平，至少已经不再扎手了。
年轻人的激进应该得到适当的包容，
何况像你这样比明哥还要老的老人呢。
但愿我不会成为你下一个炮灰!

mc鲁迅

本帖最后由 mc鲁迅 于 2009-6-2 11:24 编辑

吵架归吵架，双方举例子拿事实就好了，别人身攻击，否则事情会更糟。
老人们也顾点老，别太和年轻人计较，如果和年轻人对骂就显得更不明事理了。
相信阿信的出发点是好的，只是言辞方面除了些问题，有些道听途说的 ...
li+ 发表于 2009-6-2 08:51

                               
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我自06年注册以来 发帖极少 这次破例实属愤慨
lz就罢了 不懂事 刺几句我也就觉得已有惩戒效果
某些id 明明是注册的马甲 还冒充绿队成员在此搅浑水
实在令人激愤 日内瓦公约第五条教导过我们 对于穿马甲的要照死里打
何况此人挑起争端 大放厥词
不知道是个人行为还是有人背后推手
诚如版主所言 不应与其争执自掉身价 是非曲直自有公论 不是一小撮 在暗处蝇营之徒所能左右的
不再针对此人回复 清者自清 浊者自浊

漩涡.鸣人

本帖最后由 漩涡.鸣人 于 2009-6-2 10:35 编辑

“我是绿队的”~多麽可爱的娃娃~~~太喜欢你了~有空可以联系我~聊聊啊~~~人生最大的遗憾就是没能认识你~我想你最大的遗憾应该是没能认识萃英山脚的怪~兽~妖~族吧~~~13919266692 蟑螂一只... ... 66# shirleytt

愚树临疯

本帖最后由 愚树临疯 于 2009-6-2 10:45 编辑

小伙俗话说家丑不外扬 没想到还有人专门来丢脸了
04年湿地使者是吧 04年达协作不动了 使下三滥手段挖绿队墙角 偷走计划书的事你知道吗？
你们协会负责人被人指着鼻子骂“你们达协20年死了这么多次是为什么你知道吗 ...
mc鲁迅 发表于 2009-6-1 14:52

                               
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I really have no idea who you are. I am Chen Kai, the leader of 04WA.
there are several things i want to point out.
1. I almost finished our application outline when GT plan to apply. further work is write the detail. We never happen such situation you mentioned \"04年达协作不动了\"
2. 挖绿队墙角. If you means I ask my roommate and another classmate join us. OK, I admit that, but finally they refused. That\'s the only thing I should apologize, actually I already did. If you talk about the girl who attend your interview but finally join us, because she felt your have nothing but we already have plan and almost finished the chinese application.
3.偷走计划书, it is really ridicuous!!! you can take your application out, and ask WWF send our previous application to you. please find out the same part! I beg you!!! We went to Yushu, you went to Yunan. Come on, who can steal whose idea? Don\'t bite people without evidence.
4. When we finished the translation of our application, I don\'t want the qualitys of two applications form one school differ so much, I ask my team member to help you. to be honest, at that moment we already send our application out. After I discussed with our member who help who, I found even with her help, you still cannot successful apply.
5. After we successful apply, WWF invite us go to Lijing, someone of GT want to attend, I agree and require them just say they are lanzhou university WA. Fine, the go to there propagate their PUSHIYUANLING.
6. 你们协会负责人被人指着鼻子骂“你们达协20年死了这么多次是为什么你知道吗
I also beg you tell me, who 指着鼻子骂 who?
I strong suggest you ask your previous chair Li QIANG  and Wang Qiang to confirm it.
Or please ask the one told you that \"04年湿地使者是吧 04年达协作不动了 使下三滥手段挖绿队墙角 偷走计划书的事\" to come here or talk to me!

mc鲁迅

本帖最后由 mc鲁迅 于 2009-6-2 11:22 编辑

I really have no idea who you are. I am Chen Kai, the leader of 04WA.
there are several things i want to point out.
1. I almost finished our application outline when GT plan to apply. further w ...
愚树临疯 发表于 2009-6-2 10:14

                               
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wow here seems someone with better manner.
So hope we can talk in a gentleman way.
To be honest,I will likely to admit I haven\'t experience the whole thing.
Actually most of the legend of your team I  informed is from Wang Chao maybe the one in lower grade you don\'t know.
As sages said there will be two different types of history.For me I choose to believe the story told by my friends other than yours.But it\'s Ok,here comes my apologies ---- If there was any error in my story I will and  with pleasure to say sorry.
What I mentioned below is the vision of mine:
I heard from wang chao 03.
At that time nothing I know about it,and one of my friend have girlfriend in your association and the girl was being told to keep distance with my friend or she will be expelled or something else.So my friend put the question to wang,why is there hostility between to associations.
Wang Chao the man who \"smack on somebody\'s face\" told me just like I was mentioned before.
The point is at that time if nobody asked that question,nobody will be informed about this,and that situation will be the best way to walk through the out of time contradiction.
But things will never work out just like we want,lucky after meet with Wang I have no interests to spread the old tales. Although the hostility more or less carries on,it didn\'t turn into hatred or something worse.
In my point of view,the past things was not the true button to launch this  conflict on web.On one hand I sealed my mouth on it for years and will do so if this conflict didn\'t happen. Also the poster seems have little sense of the old contradiction,I guess maybe we all choose to end up this in mute.On other hand as time goes your association which concentrated and prided of professional see us grass-rooted guys in your professional eyes, it is the core of the problem.
Your guys see us as remnants and feel unfair of our achievement.
Think about it wise men never produce new problem they terminate it.

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版主明鉴
某些id 明明是注册的马甲 还冒充绿队成员在此搅浑水
实在令人激愤 日内瓦公约第五条教导过我们 对于穿马 ...
mc鲁迅 发表于 2009-6-2 09:12

                               
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如果你有确凿的证据证明他冒充绿队的成员来搅局，可以揭穿他，如果还不是很确定，可以去管理板块申请论坛管理团队的协助（比如查ip），得到了确凿的证据之后，揭穿他。论坛这边可以按照注册协议第七条“公然侮辱他人或者捏造事实诽谤他人的，或者进行其他恶意攻击的\"规定进行禁言或者删id处理。

流传风

说的很好，到底是选择合作还是竞争，到底是选择交流还是闭门造车，到底是选择资源共享还是井水不犯河水？大家都好好思考下吧！环保不是一个人，不是一个组织，而是全人类都需要做的事情，寻求合作共赢，不知更好么?

mc鲁迅

如果你有确凿的证据证明他冒充绿队的成员来搅局，可以揭穿他，如果还不是很确定，可以去管理板块申请论坛管理团队的协助（比如查ip），得到了确凿的证据之后，揭穿他。论坛这边可以按照注册协议第七条“公然侮辱 ...
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窃以为
某些口口声声“言论自由”的“热血青年”的号封不得。
这种被迫害的心态会给他带来圣徒般的快感。
在济溪这种大规模的论坛上有人穿马甲捣乱再所难免，如果各个都严阵以待反而让幺麽小丑自以为有市场。
对于这种人只要他不如疯狗般乱扑乱咬，不妨静观其行，待其自曝其丑。
还是那句话清者自清，浊者自浊。
见不得光的手段有目共睹，自抽耳光的行为我见尤怜。